[原创][翻译]《风之谷》的结束
《风之谷》的结束翻译：无处可淘所有翻译均为动画爱好者交流所用版权归原作者及所属媒体所有翻译部分未经允许请勿转载
这是针对《风之谷》结局对宫崎骏进行的采访
注意：本采访是对《风之谷》（漫画）结局的剧透，未观看过《风之谷》结局的读者最好不要阅读本文。
（感谢David Goldsmith的编辑）
宫崎骏：：“在腐海岸边-尽管如此，我还是要种草，净化河流。”（摘录）
“什么是希望？也许就是和你关心的人一起默默忍受”
《风之谷》中腐海是1000年前的人类制造出来净化环境的系统。但是就算腐海的创造者都无法预计它会变成什么样子。无论再多的生态学者合作也预计不出来。
比如，我们在Ghibli工作室旁边种下一棵樟脑树。可是我们不知道这棵树身上会发生什么，也无法估计它对人类的影响：可能它会带给某人坠入爱河的机会，也可能它会倒下压垮建筑。认为我们可以预计的想法是可笑的。人们可以设定一个开始，但是我们无法决定将来那里有什么，那里是否存在神灵（这是建立在万物有灵论基础上的论述）。我相信这是看待世界更好的角度。
计划往往和结果是不同的。腐海本来是作为生态净化系统被造出来的，结果随着时间的推移它变成了不同的东西。从我的感觉出发，我更愿意认为甚至是人工制造的森林也可以发挥森林的作用，并且演化成超出人类想象的复杂生态系统。而不愿意因为它不是天然森林就认为它不值一提。
有种观点认为，自然是温柔的，是它创造出腐海来净化环境，它为人类奉献许多
。这种观点是错误的。用这种天真的想法看世界会有很多疑问。当我开始画《风之谷》的时候我也报这种想法。
从一开始我就觉得漫画会以这样的方式结束。有人说这样的结局很不好，因为它背离了读者。但是把腐海作为自然生态系统是不对的。没有哪个生态系统是有目的性的。我本不愿如此，但必须这样。尽管Nausicaa知道腐海的真相，但把它用语言解释给民众听几乎是不可能的。如果读者可以明白Nausicaa正在做的并感受到她将要做的就足够了。我们不能过于简单的讨论希望。
那么，什么是希望。和你关心的人一起经受苦难，也许就是希望。除了认为活着
是为了希望，我们别无他法。我以此结束思考。
我不知道，如果我种草、净化河流会有什么结果。这会影响未来么？不会的。但
是如果我什么也不做，就什么就不会发生。至少会有些困难发生在日常生活中，我决定享受这一切。
当我们说不知道会发生什么、我们别无选择只有让事情发生的时候，新的问题又
出现了。我可以想像要发生什么。如 INOUE Yousui在《最后的消息》中唱道：“人类溢出地球，掉入大海的尽头”无论我们是否考虑过这件事，它始终存在于我们每个人的意识里。
现在，如果我们用人口除以地球上所有的土地面积（包括沙漠和两极地区），人
均170m2。50年后，当人口扩张到100亿，则人均120m2。当扩张到500亿时，地球上只剩下人类。科幻小说家阿西莫夫估算500亿人口是光合作用产生有机质所能养活的人口上限。
“我们怎么活下去，除了多生孩子我们别无选择。”
我们只能认为将来人类除了100亿还有20亿的可能，这就是人类。历史上有很多这样的例子，未来包含着无数的灾难。那么我们怎么活下去，除了多生孩子我们别无选择，我们只能认为活着就是为孩子操劳，就是为了忍受疾病。于是，那些天里当我被邀请参加婚礼，我只会说：“多生些孩子。”考虑未来是没有用的，我的意思不是说毫无意义，但人类本就是这样的存在。所以如果有人问我什么是更好的事，那就是生更多孩子，然后为他们操劳。
如果我们认为万事皆空，当然万事皆空。但是无论如何人终究是要死的，所以如
果你觉得不好，那么所有事都不好。可是人类没有灭绝，这是事实。
据说恐龙灭绝的原因是进化，不过最近这一说法有所改变。不是复仇女神给它们
报应，而是小行星撞击地球，引发核冬天一样的气候，导致恐龙灭亡。也有人说不是小行星的原因，而是地球剧烈的地壳运动引起的。火山爆发导致70%的物种灭绝，更新了生态系统。地球不是温柔的。如果不是因此，恐龙可以继续繁衍。它们的灭绝不是因为自己，而是因为地球。
在20世纪末普遍流行理论是：人类已经决定了生存下去，尽管我们继续人口膨胀
并产生污染。
源自：《Ikiiki Mizu Book, Living Water, Loving Water》, Asahi Original,
Kurashito Kankyou, 由Asahi Shimbunsha出版, 1994年7月20.
由宫崎骏重新发表于《Shuppatsuten》,Studio Ghibli出版,1996.版权Studio
Ghibli, 1996.
[ 本帖最后由 无处可淘 于 2007-7-17 10:00 编辑 ] 英文原文：
This is the Miyazaki interview on Nausicaa's end.
CAUTION: This interview contains a major spoiler.
If you haven't read
the end of the manga "Nausicaa", you might not want to read it.
(Many thanks to David Goldsmith San for editing).
---------------Spoiler Warning!!!----------------------
Miyazaki Interview: "At the shore of the Sea of Corruption - Even so, I
still plant grass, and clean up the river."
(Excerpts)
[......]
"What is hope?
Maybe it's to suffer with those whom you care about."
The "Fukai" (Sea of Corruption) in "Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind" was a
system which humans made 1,000 years ago to clean up the environment.
But even those who created it could not predict how the Fukai would
change. No matter how many excellent ecologists work together, you can't
(predict it).
For example, we can plant a camphor tree next to this office (Studio
Ghibli).
But we don't know what will happen to this tree.
We can't predict
what this tree will bring to humans: if it gives someone an opportunity to
fall in love, or if it falls down and brings this building down.
It's
arrogant to think that we can predict.
Humans can make a start, or set
things up, but we can not determine what will stay there, or whether a god
will stay there or not.
(This is based on the Animism belief of a
god/spirit staying in everything, natural or man-made -Ryo.)
I think this
is a more appropriate way to see this world.
The things intended and the things that come about are different.
So, the
Fukai started as an artificially engineered ecosystem, but it changes into
something different over time in this world.
It suits my feelings better to
think that even an artificially created forest can properly function as a
forest, and becomes an ecosystem complicated beyond our imagination, than to
think that it's no use to care about it, since it's not a natural forest.
The idea that Nature is gentle, and it creates the Fukai to recover the
environment humans contaminated, or does something (for humans), - that's
not true.
Clinging to such a naive view of the Earth is problematic.
I
came to think this way while I was writing "Nausicaa".
I had a feeling that it would end this way, from the beginning.
Some said
that that's not good, since (such an ending) would betray the readers.
But,
it (the Fukai as a natural ecosystem) isn't right.
There can't be an
ecosystem with a purpose.
I didn't want to go there, but I had to.
And
although Nausicaa knows the truth about the Fukai, it's almost impossible
to explain it to people by words.
If (readers can see) what she has been
doing, and can feel what she is going to do from now on, that's enough.
We can't talk about hope so easily.
Then, what is hope?
Going through hardships with those whom you care
about, maybe that's hope, too.
We have no choice but to think that to live
means such a thing.
I ended up thinking that way.
I don't know what would happen if I planted grass and cleaned up the river.
Will it lead to future?
No, it wouldn't.
But, if I don't do anything,
nothing will happen.
And at least some troubles happen to my daily life (by
doing something).
(I decided to) enjoy them.
But the minute we say that we don't know what would happen, that we have no
choice but to let it happen, we get another problem.
I can see what would
happen.
The phrase in the song, "Saigo no News (The Last News)" by INOUE
Yousui; "Humans overflow the earth, and they fall in the end of the sea" -
that's it.
Whether we think about it or not, it's laid in the consciousness
of us all.
Right now, if we divide all the land area on the Earth, including deserts
and the polar region, by the population, we have 170 meter square per
capita.
50 years from now, when we have 10 billion population, it will be
120 meter square.
When it becomes 50 billion, there wouldn't be any other
creatures than humans.
Asimov, the science fiction writer, calculated that
50 billion is the limit imposed by the organic materials made by
photosynthesis on the Earth.
"What should we do to live?
We have no choice but to have a lot of
children"
[......]
We have no choice but to think that humans can become 10 billion but also
could become 200 million in the future, and that's human .
As there were
numerous examples in history, there will be countless tragedies in future.
Then, what should we do to live?
We have no choice but to have a lot of
children.
We have no choice but to think that to live means to live being
troubled by your children, to live suffering from disease.
So, these days,
when I'm invited to a wedding, I just say, "Have a lot of children".
It's
no use thinking about the future.
I don't mean no use, but, humans are such
beings.
So if you ask me which is better, it's better to have children, and
to be troubled by them.
If we say nothing works, of course nothing works.
But you are going to
die someday anyway, so if you say it's no good, everything is no good.
But, humans have stopped going extinct.
That's for sure.
It's been said that dinosaurs went extinct as a result of the evolution, but
the story has changed recently.
It wasn't Nemesis who gave them a
punishment they deserved, but it was a huge meteorite which crashed on the
Earth, and brought a climate like nuclear winter, that killed the dinosaurs
off.
Or, (another theory says) it wasn't a meteorite, but the Earth which
went through an era of big crustal movement.
Volcanoes erupted and 70% of
species went extinct, renewing (the ecosystem).
The Earth is not gentle.
If it were not for that, the dinosaurs would have continued to thrive.
They
perished not because of themselves, but because of the Earth.
At the end of the 20th century, it became the general theory.
It means that
humans have decided to live, even though we keep expanding without limits,
and producing pollution.
From "Ikiiki Mizu Book, Living Water, Loving Water", Asahi Original, Kurashi
to Kankyou, Published by Asahi Shimbunsha, July 20, 1994.
Reprinted in
"Shuppatsuten" by Hayao Miyazaki, Published by Studio Ghibli,
1996. Copyright, Studio Ghibli, 1996. :dance 其实说的也没错~~~~但我们国家在搞什么计划生育~~~不考虑地球的问题，我觉得很不人道~~但大家都已经接受这个事实了~~我觉得这么做很残忍，一个有够少的，起码两个嘛~~在将来中国也要面临老龄化的问题啊~~~~ 有些动物也会因环境变化停止繁殖啊．．中国确实人口太多．．．． 虽然我很喜欢宫老的片子，但他这个观点我实在不敢苟同……
可能是我年纪还小，思索不够深吧…… 坚决地顶起来！！！ wow i didnt know there are so much meanings behind Nausicaa 很深的一段谈话~ 要翻译这些对这些动画的背景要有很多了解啊，
我想知道这里翻译组大概要多少程度？ 话说第二遍看我还是不大明白..
这段话主要的中心思想是什么 我们无处可逃，但我们拥有希望！ 就像人的一生一样，你迟早要面对死亡，但是你知道死亡就在前面，但你因此就止步了吗？ 1# 无处可淘
画馆的工作人员，真细心，鼓励加油 觉得达尔文的进化论物竞天择有道理，一切都有平衡，当人口饱和崩盘时，大自然肯定会让人口减少的，也可能为争夺资源人类自己发起战争也减人。
记得我看过一部纪录片《home》09年的，就是说地球上的一切都是已他的化学及物理转变的一个轮回，大家可以看看:rock imomo 发表于 2011-12-31 20:58 static/image/common/back.gif
觉得达尔文的进化论物竞天择有道理，一切都有平衡，当人口饱和崩盘时，大自然肯定会让人口减少的，也可能为 ...
我也看过，并相信，生态自有其轮回过程，不管人类干预改变多少
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